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« on: April 15, 2011, 03:42:06 PM »

Hey guys, I found this stuff listed online... It is boxer primed (not very common as I can find...), so that's a plus. But the case metal is listed as "Bi-Metal". I didn't know if that is the same/similar to steel reloading wise, or it is closer to brass and easy to work with... I didn't know what everyone's thoughts were or if they had worked with these before.

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/products/7.62x39-Ammo-124gr-FMJ-Golden-Tiger-1000-Round-Case.html

Also, if anyone knows where to get some good 7.62x39 ammo for an AK-47 for fun in the sun playtime, let me know. Seems like prices have gotten to the steel case rounds too...
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 05:44:02 PM »


Try scratching the case with the side of a bullet (,a normal copper jacketed bullet, not the ones from this ammo which is copper plated.).  Presumably the cases are Zinc over steel.  Zinc is softer than copper.  Should be fine for an AK47, however, nobody reloads steel cases.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 08:17:45 PM »

You likely won't get as many reloads out of a Boxer/steel case as you would a Boxer/brass case, but in a pinch, yes, you can reload steel cases.  Very few do it probably because both milsurp and even the new Wolf/TulAmmo/Ulynovsk ammo is still pretty cheap.

If you want inexpensive AK ammo, check out Widener's.  They typically have 1,200-round cases for about $200 to $250.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 08:17:55 PM »

They screwed those ammo specifications all up.  First off Golden Tiger is great ammo probably some of the best of the non corrosive Russian ammo available in 7.62 x 39.

A look inside http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29617

Now to the details first off the case is lacquerer coated steel not bi-metal,it's berdan primed not boxer so it pretty much non reloadable unless you have berdan primers and some time on your hand not worth it on steel case ammo as the steel tends to crack after about the second firing. 

The bullet is bi-metal meaning two separate metals joined together,the bullet is composed of a steel jacket with a copper coating over the steel jacket the core is lead and exposed on the bottom with a air pocket in the tip.

I've shot that ammo off an on over the years when I want to sling some lead downrange and not chase my good  x39 brass.  As fas a Russian steel case ammo goes it probably the most accurate I have ever tested the bear line of ammo would be my second choice.

You can get a better price on it here.
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8962&dir=18|830|852

This is good ammo a well.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=ABB76239HP&name=Brown+Bear+7.62x39+123grn+HP+20rd+Box&groupid=39

If you don't mind shooting corrosive ammo the Yugo x39 surplus is excellent as well,it's also berdan primed but the bullet is all copper with lead core and is loaded with the M67 bullet and is designed to tumble once it enters tissue more quickly than any other X39 ammo.

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000187&dir=18|830|852

 

 
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 12:34:12 PM »

I found some on that widners site that had brass and berdan primed. I know that you can't reload berdan primers like you can boxer, but does anyone do it? How hard is it and is it worth it??? I have read forums that are 5-8 years old, and they all say that buying mil surplus is better. However, the prices have sky rocketed and any other option is better... aka reloading them. So far, I have read that you need "special" Berdan primers (boxers won't do the trick) and some special tools, but what are they and do you guys think it's worth the money to do it??? Thanks for the sites too!
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 01:10:37 PM »

Well you can reload berdan primed cases but you have a couple problems,mainly the availability of berdan primer which are pretty much non existent in the US.  Some do pop up on various auctions sites on occasion but there very expensive. Powder valley and Graf & Son got a small shipment of Tula .217" berdan primer in about a year ago that fit the X39 case but they were gone before most people knew they were in stock.  So basically no primer no reloading berdan cases the easy way.

You also need some special tool either commercial or home made to remove the berdan primer from the case as well as modifying you primer seater to seat the over sized berdan primer which are about .005 larger in dia. than the standard LR primer.

You can convert the berdan case to accept boxer primers but it's a lot of work and I would consider that a last ditch effort when no other option is available. Here is basically how its done. http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/25275/t/Berdan-to-Boxer-Conversion-Method.html

Reload the X39 cartridge isn't going to save you much at this point in time unless you have bought up a good stock of reloading component when they were cheap and or you cast your own bullets.  Brass and jacketed bullet prices are twice as much now as they were seven years ago when I started loading for my SKS rifle I stocked up on lots of brass and various J bullets back then i mainly shoot cast bullet loads now days and just let the J bullets lay till there needed,I also have a couple cases of good quality Russian and Yugo ammo stuck back for a rainy day.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 01:11:59 PM »

yes you can reload them and yes you need berdan primers you can get them from a lot of different sources Tula has them here in US for i think its 25.00 a thousand.
You can hydraulic the primer out by filling the case with water and then finding a punch that tightly fits the case mouth and give it a sharp blow it will force the berdan primer out. allow to dry and reload with normal process.

Note when sizing make sure you remove the decapping pin from your size die.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 06:14:34 PM »

BTW, Cabelas is known to have MFS Boxer/brass reloadable 7.62x39 ammo on sale for $6.99/20.  They used to do this pretty frequently.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 08:57:10 PM »

BTW, Cabelas is known to have MFS Boxer/brass reloadable 7.62x39 ammo on sale for $6.99/20.  They used to do this pretty frequently.

+1 on the MFS,we put a few boxes through my buddy Andy's newly acquired Russian SKS yesterday zeroing the sights it shot fine,he has also reloads some from a previous outing a few time and it's just as good as any other brand brass we have reloaded.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2011, 10:28:49 PM »

I've made them from 6.5x54mm MS cases before. Expensive way to do it but at the time there was almost no 7.62x39mm available.
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